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CommanderBolt wrote:

General Mosquito wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Problem with that is, it is just going to further push those players toward a passive play style.

The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there.

Maybe people should stop thinking they are entitled to proto and get good enough to support it.

While I support your statement, lets be honest. Most proto players I see in pub matches are NOT good enough to sustain proto, many times they lose 2,3,4,5 suits in a match. That could be upwards of a million isk a time for 5 suits.

The difference is older players had many bonuses that others did not get. Asset removal gave us a lot of isk when beta ended. Then you have the whole year + of PC farming that made a certain group billions of isk each.

It is unfair to say to new players, "oh you cant support running proto unless you are god like", but these honestly average players can run proto forever because they had systems in place to make billions of isk passively.

Now honestly I say to new players to man up and use cheap gear and grind isk like I have over time. But that's not to say that the whole thing is fair because its not.

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General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:38:00 - [1] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Problem with that is, it is just going to further push those players toward a passive play style. The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there. Maybe people should stop thinking they are entitled to proto and get good enough to support it. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:48:00 - [2] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: General Mosquito wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Problem with that is, it is just going to further push those players toward a passive play style. The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there. Maybe people should stop thinking they are entitled to proto and get good enough to support it. Not sure I understand your point. You lose 5 ADV suits in a pub and you don't profit. What confused you about my simple post? If you die 5 times in a pub match, you are bad, and should feel as such. No wonder you can't afford all proto all the time. Christ, I just sold all my ISK to someone in game, when I played yesterday, I made pure profit off of 10 matches. Ran proto all the time. If you can't do that, then you are bad, and will always be a loser. CCP shouldn't prop you up just so you don't feel like the scrub you are. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:51:00 - [3] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: General Mosquito wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Problem with that is, it is just going to further push those players toward a passive play style. The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there. Maybe people should stop thinking they are entitled to proto and get good enough to support it. While I support your statement, lets be honest. Most proto players I see in pub matches are NOT good enough to sustain proto, many times they lose 2,3,4,5 suits in a match. That could be upwards of a million isk a time for 5 suits. The difference is older players had many bonuses that others did not get. Asset removal gave us a lot of isk when beta ended. Then you have the whole year + of PC farming that made a certain group billions of isk each. It is unfair to say to new players, "oh you cant support running proto unless you are god like", but these honestly average players can run proto forever because they had systems in place to make billions of isk passively. Now honestly I say to new players to man up and use cheap gear and grind isk like I have over time. But that's not to say that the whole thing is fair because its not. If they cannot sustain running all proto all the time, then killing them will bring their proto days to an end. Do you know who had real piles of ISK back in the day? Imps, Nyain, TP, AE. How many of those people are still playing? Maybe 50? So why should CCP alter the economy for a small fraction of players whose overall affect on the game is neglible? People like to blame someone else running proto for them dieing. It is a convenient excuse, and nothing more. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:57:00 - [4] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: 99% of Dust loses 5 suits in a match if they aren't hiding in the redline. Soooooo And most of them are absolutely horrible. I make no secret that I think most of the people playing Dust are semi-********. There is a reason why the old PC community was such a small group, there was only ever a tiny minority of decent players in this game. Because they are bad, and refuse to accept that, why should CCP cater to them? General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 9	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:53:00 - [5] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: General Mosquito wrote: Because they are bad, and refuse to accept that, why should CCP cater to them? ...because that's where CCP would make money? By catering to the 99% players that are scrubs instead of the 1% that are elite. And you fail at logic. CCP keeping ISK tight forces scrubs to buy aurum to make up for their lack of ISK. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 10	Posted - 2014.09.25 19:37:00 - [6] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Actually, by catering the game towards that incredibly small target of elite players you'll quickly end up with a dead game. What player is going to stick with a game where they're expected to die ten times a match and then pay them enough to cover the cost of three of those suits? The game is already dead, and was so even when more than half the player base had endless ISK. The game gives you more than enough ISK to put together perfectly competent standard suits. You want to roll in better gear all the time, either be a better player and lose less suits, or get out your credit card and buy some aurum. Everything Dies wrote: General Mosquito wrote: CCP keeping ISK tight forces scrubs to buy aurum to make up for their lack of ISK. Good luck with that Pay-to-Win scheme. See how far that gets you... You clearly don't know what pay-to-win is. Remember when the Aurum light damage mods were half the fitting of the ISK variants? That was P2W. Same with all the other module variants that got pulled at the same time due to an uproar on the forums. I would link you to the posts, but since I biomassed GBN, I don't have an easy way to find them. What you don't like is the idea of having to pay-to-play at an equal level to people who are better than you. If you can't afford to run full proto, don't. It isn't rocket science. In Eve, this is constantly reiterated as "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose". If your abilities do not allow you to run proto all the time, that is on you, not on CCP to give you enough ISK to equalize the playing field. You would complain when a high sec exploration site doesn't give you enough ISK to buy a Titan. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.